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dakuwanga
Dive-Oz Supporter
South Western Sydney
Australia
646 Posts |
 Posted - 19 October 2006 : 7:57:45 PM
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It's all politics - always was.
Well done Victoria.
Mabey we can hijack it on the way past (assuming it doesn't travel south to Vic from Perth) - Julie/Ron what sort of weaponry can you attach to your boat???
Jason
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badass
Dive-Oz Supporter
Forest Lodge
Australia
2023 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 8:10:00 PM
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"Dr Nelson apparently has not even seen or have an knowledge of ...."
And this surprises you ? 
Happy sinking to you mexicans ? And I look forward to a visit sometime (along with those Sub's you've got)
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Bear
Administrator
Melbourne
Australia
2035 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 9:43:02 PM
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Originally posted by badass
And I look forward to a visit sometime (along with those Sub's you've got)
You know you are welcome to visit ANY time!! 
Cheers 
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scoobaman
150+ Posts
Australia
201 Posts |
Posted - 19 October 2006 : 10:04:29 PM
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Originally posted by jdz
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Originally posted by Dave
Victoria got it because they put in the best proposal, and it is a great place for diving. Simple really!!
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Yeh, what he said!!
Cheers, JDZ 
Wonder what depth it will be placed at???
Shallow off Barwon Heads will make it surely proned to bad weather and eventual (quick) degradation.. sorry to put a damper on it, but I would like my kids to enjoy it also...
The subs have been there for around 70 years,
I reckon your kids and grandkids will probably be able to enjoy it.
I heard, but dont know if it's true, it'll sit in around 35 meters... but that's hearsay really, although that seems realistic to me
cheers.
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james
150+ Posts
Hobart
Australia
275 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 08:00:51 AM
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The placement and construction of Artificial Reefs are regulated under the Commonwealth Environment Protection (Sea Dumping) Act 1981 (the Sea Dumping Act).
Their policy is that artificial reefs should be placed in waters less than 30m in the name of "diver safety".
have a look at: http://www.deh.gov.au/coasts/pollution/dumping/reefs.html
this covers some general guide lines for the creation of artificial reefs.
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SCUTTLE
Scuttlebutt Dive Charters
JAN JUC
Australia
518 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 08:06:24 AM
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Ok, what is the depth to scuttle her in is a good question.I have been trying to find her total height without any luck so far. Closest I've come is the Navy site that has the virtual tour which indicates some specs.
Keel to the top of the bridge super structure is about 18m not including the masts & that could be close to another--- 18m?
I'd hope that the masts will be left intact for that special effect when viewing, looking up from below.
You will see what I mean if you look at these shots of the EX HMAS Bayonet http://www.scuttlebuttscuba.com.au/wrecks/bayonet.html
35m would only be just under? So at least another 10-15m required for her not to be a navigational hazard?
At 45m she would be a great multilevel training ground for most divers, be that adv open water through to deco procedures & deep enough to just satisfy some deeper divers. So, the mast starts at 10-15m & at 30- 35m you could be on the deck , ducking in & out the super structures.
More speculation;
I wonder if it will be a moored site with buoys bobbing on the bow, amidships & stern. It might stop any squabbles of "I was here first & you can hurry up & wait" not unlike our northern cousins debacle of anchors (or shots) whizzing into divers limbs.  Another plus, any ole operator could find it too.
Your thoughts?
Jeff
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Dave
Dive-Oz Supporter 2008
Melbourne
Australia
3320 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 09:13:53 AM
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Jeff, I very much doubt they would sink it in 45m of water. I think the aim will be to make the majority of the vessel accessible to divers with an advanced cert. I think 30 - 35m would be more realistic, but maybe the masts will have to be sacrificed. The other problem with sinking it deep is the limited bottom time the average non-deco diver would get. It would also make sense to have it at a depth where nitrox could be used to gain a significant advantage bottom time wise.
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Edited by - Dave on 20 October 2006 09:22:12 AM |
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Dave
Dive-Oz Supporter 2008
Melbourne
Australia
3320 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 09:16:47 AM
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I am wondering what happens with the scuttled wrecks in other states in regards to fishing. Do these wrecks attract boatloads of fishermen? This would seem to be incompatible with diver safety. Are there regs that prevent fishing in the vicinity of these scuttled warships?
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Edited by - Dave on 20 October 2006 09:23:04 AM |
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SCUTTLE
Scuttlebutt Dive Charters
JAN JUC
Australia
518 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 10:00:46 AM
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Another Media release. I have highlight the most interesting part in red.
VICTORIA GETS THAT SINKING FEELING, SELECTED FOR EXCITING NEW DIVE SITE
Victoria has won an interstate bid to secure the former Royal Australian Navy Guided Missile Frigate, ex-HMAS Canberra, as a new artificial dive attraction Tourism Minister, John Pandazopoulos, said today.
A proposed site has been found at The Ships Graveyard, three kilometres south of Barwon Heads, on Victorias picturesque Bellarine Peninsula. Extensive environmental and navigational survey work has been undertaken to select the site.
It is full steam ahead for ex-HMAS Canberra, Australias newest dive site, which will arrive at its new home next month and be sunk in April 2007, Mr Pandazopoulos said.
The Bracks Government has been working for several months to secure the vessel and successfully outbid New South Wales.
Mr Pandazopoulos said the proposal to acquire the ex-HMAS Canberra was a great coup and would position Victoria and the Bellarine Peninsula as a nationally significant temperate dive destination.
The Bracks Government has allocated $500,000 and the Federal Government has also contributed funding toward the costs of sinking. The ex-HMAS Canberra is a large frigate 138 meters in length and also requires complete stripping and decontamination before dives can occur, he said.
Member for Bellarine, Lisa Neville, said this is Victorias first major dive site in many years and added to the States broad tourism appeal.
This announcement will be warmly welcomed by the Victorian recreational diving industry and Geelong Otway Tourism and is the result of strong lobbying by our local community and the Victorian Government, she said.
Studies by Tourism Victoria estimate the direct economic benefit of the dive site, through spending by new visitors, to be around $1.3 million per annum which will see new local jobs created.
Market research indicates that the new dive attraction could significantly boost local, interstate and international dive days in Victoria which is great for tourism.
Mr Pandazopoulos said Victoria was ranked second in the recent national Brand Health Survey for interesting and diverse regional experiences within 1.5 hours from the city and that this new tourism facility would add to the range of experiences on offer.
In 2006-07, the Bracks Government allocated more than $9.3 million for regional tourism, which is more than triple the $2.5 million for 1999-2000 when the previous Government was in office.
Jeff
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SCUTTLE
Scuttlebutt Dive Charters
JAN JUC
Australia
518 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 10:26:38 AM
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Originally posted by Dave
Jeff, I very much doubt they would sink it in 45m of water. I think the aim will be to make the majority of the vessel accessible to divers with an advanced cert. I think 30 - 35m would be more realistic, but maybe the masts will have to be sacrificed.
With the above media release You maybe right on Dave(30 - 35m) but I hope the mast stays on , makes it much more interesting descending & ascending on a solid fixed object rather than a mooring line. Near the surface, different species of fish would hang around it too, no doubt.
South Oz, have the funnels just below the surface & buoyed.
Jeff
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MarkK
Dive-Oz Supporter
Sydney
Australia
344 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 11:47:20 AM
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Good luck to Victoria, they at least have an active Government. Here in NSW we have the "do nothing" or "stuff it up" government that is afraid of its own shadow as the election draws nearer.
Pretty poor performance again from Premier Iemma, Tourism Sport & Recreation Minister Nori & the local members around the central coast. Is it so hard to understand the tourist $s that these wrecks bring into the areas where they are sunk.
We get the Government we deserve...again.
MarkK
And then god invented diving to ensure the truly talented did not rule the world. |
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michael_k
Dive-Oz Supporter
Melbourne
Australia
247 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 12:01:16 PM
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Originally posted by SCUTTLE
Another Media release. I have highlight the most interesting part in red.
A proposed site has been found at The Ships Graveyard, three kilometres south of Barwon Heads,
Hey Jeff what's your opinon on the VIS in that area with outflow from the Barwon after rain? (not that it really does that anymore!) |
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Nazaar
Dive-Oz Supporter
Australia
595 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 12:05:36 PM
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I am wondering what happens with the scuttled wrecks in other states in regards to fishing. Do these wrecks attract boatloads of fishermen? This would seem to be incompatible with diver safety. Are there regs that prevent fishing in the vicinity of these scuttled warships?
I guess the question is why the fishermen would hang out around the new one when there's dozens of well established artificial reefs already there? It's going to be years before the fish life is equivalent to anything else in the graveyard.
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SCUTTLE
Scuttlebutt Dive Charters
JAN JUC
Australia
518 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 12:53:39 PM
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Originally posted by michael_k
Hey Jeff what's your opinon on the VIS in that area with outflow from the Barwon after rain? (not that it really does that anymore!)
Should be ok as the flow of the Barwon river tends to go east predominately. Flooding would produce lower vis in shallower waters. 3 Klm South of Barwon Heads should be out far enough & in the right direction to avoid the brown water.
But for the best viz, as you know---is closer up towards me in the offical graveyard
Jeff
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Pedr
New To Forums
Cairns
Australia
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Posted - 20 October 2006 : 1:17:28 PM
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Its great to see something in Melb come together, the team behind the scenes must have been working their little ..... off to pull this through. Congrats to all involved.
PS how are the J subs travelling, much damage?
Whst about the Courier? dying to know if the old girl is still around. |
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Dave
Dive-Oz Supporter 2008
Melbourne
Australia
3320 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 2:25:25 PM
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Originally posted by Nazaar
I guess the question is why the fishermen would hang out around the new one when there's dozens of well established artificial reefs already there? It's going to be years before the fish life is equivalent to anything else in the graveyard.[/quote]
The reason I ask is that I was listening to an early morning fishing program on the radio a few months ago and they were excitedly talking about the proposed scuttling since in their opinion it would make a great spot for fishing. I had only ever thought of these deliberate scuttling sites as being for dive tourism, not for fishing tourism. This started me wondering if there were any regulations covering fishing over the wreck sites in other states. Do fishing boats congregate at these sites? Are there any regulations covering this?
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dteubner
Dive-Oz Supporter
Adelaide
Australia
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rachel
Dive-Oz Supporter 2008
Brisbane
Australia
992 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 2:49:38 PM
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THe ex-HMAS Brisbane is a gazetted Conservation Park, so there is no fishing allowed within a certain distance (500m radius??)
"the bend-O-matic: just add water and bend"
"Brisbane: slowly in the morning and not so fast in the afternoon" |
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michael_k
Dive-Oz Supporter
Melbourne
Australia
247 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 2:55:21 PM
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Originally posted by Dave
[Do fishing boats congregate at these sites? Are there any regulations covering this?
I can remember once or twice pleading with Jeff to "please not drop us in the burley" |
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Chucky
New To Forums
Williamstown
Australia
25 Posts |
Posted - 20 October 2006 : 3:04:02 PM
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OK for those of you who would like to know the facts about Victoria winning the Canberra here is the short version.
The Victorian Artificial Reef Society (VARS) was formed in February '06 to become the peak body in Victoria to represent ALL diving interests in artificial reefs. With support from the DIVA (Dive Industry Victoria Association), The Victorian Scuba Retailers Association, VSAG (Victorian Sub Aqua Group), Scuba Divers Federation of Victoria and other interested individuals and organisations. This does not mean that we only started working towards winning a ship; it means that we were incorporated in February 06.
Our group has been working with Tourism Victoria, the Department of Sustainability and Environment and the Premiers Department for quite some time. With the help of both State and Federal Members of Parliament, VARS has been able to convince the powers to be that locating the Canberra in Melbourne will offer not only the local divers but those of you from inter-state and overseas the opportunity to experience the wonderful biodiversity that Victorian temperate water diving has to offer.
I would like to take this opportunity on behalf of the committee of VARS to thank all of those people from other states who having been involved with securing similar vessels for suppling us with their insight.
As for all your questions about location and depth we cannot tell you an exact position yet as DSE are still to finalise a number of studies. However I can tell you that the position currently being favoured is somewhere between the J5 Submarine and the Rotomahana. There is still a lot of work to be done before anyone can tell you the GPS points and all of the details as far as access is concerned.
You have my assurance that I will keep you advised as soon as we know any facts NOT speculation.
John Allsop
Vice President
Victorian Artificial Reef Society
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