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flyingbudda
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ALL OVER ASIA
Australia
509 Posts

Posted - 09 March 2012 :  1:13:59 PM
PRETTY DISTURBING VIDEO

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-09/inquiry-launched-after-dugongs-butchered-alive/3879014


The Queensland Government has ordered an immediate investigation into alleged cruelty to sea turtles and dugongs by Indigenous hunters.

Queensland Environment Minister Vicky Darling says she was disturbed by footage aired on ABC TV's 7.30 program last night.

It showed sea turtles and dugongs being butchered and environmentalists say the meat is being traded under the guise of traditional hunting.

Activist Rupert Imhoff spent a fortnight in the Torres Strait, filming the hunting of the turtles and dugongs, both listed as vulnerable to extinction.

He used a secret camera to film scenes of animal cruelty, including the slow death of a sea turtle.

Traditional owners are allowed to hunt dugongs and sea turtles under the Native Title Act.

Environmental activist Rupert Imhoff says if it happened anywhere else in Australia, the hunters would be subject to harsh penalties under animal cruelty laws.

"In Queensland, they can do whatever they want and they can do it freely," he said.

Ms Darling says working with Indigenous communities is the best way to stamp out inhumane hunting practices.

She says her department will also work with community leaders to stamp out the practice.

"The actual hunting of these animals can not be prosecuted under animal cruelty laws and that is exactly why we are working with traditional owners up and down the coast of Queensland to make sure these animals are taken in a humane way," she said.

Ms Darling says the investigation will now try to determine whether hunters are complying with the law.

"The export or commercial sale is very concerning and that's what we'll investigate," she said.

Ms Darling says allegations of illegal trade have been made in the past, mostly without any real evidence.

She says it is disappointing the ABC and those involved in last night's report did not provide details to authorities.
Long-held concerns

However, the RSPCA says it has long-held concerns about the way some Indigenous hunters are killing dugongs and sea turtles.

RSPCA spokesman Michael Beatty says authorities will have to embark on a long-term plan to tackle the problem.

"Unfortunately this isn't going to be solved overnight and it involves working with the leaders from the various communities and basically getting them on-side," he said.

"For the most part, the leaders of those communities are on-side already and they want to fix the problem, if you like."

Mr Beatty says the long-standing practices can be changed.

"We're certainly discussing with Aboriginal leaders from various communities about the accessibility of refrigeration and also the way the animals are killed," he said.

"Obviously there's alternatives now so that the animal basically dies instantly and doesn't die a prolonged death."

Topics: indigenous-culture, endangered-and-protected-species, activism-and-lobbying, federal---state-issues, indigenous-policy, animal-welfare, qld, cairns-4870, torres-strait-islands

First posted March 09, 2012 09:01:58

flibbermegibbets
150+ Posts

Spotswood
Australia
151 Posts

Posted - 09 March 2012 :  2:00:51 PM
Repeal the Native Title Act, then drag the locals out of the third world, thereby allowing prosecution as if they were just like the rest of us.

Location of birth, colour of skin and poorly executed but well meaning governmental acts that are barely relevant is no excuse to sit idly by and watch a species taken to extinction.

This is my opinion and I will defend it vehemently.

Saspotato
Dive-Oz Supporter 2008

Melbourne
Australia
1908 Posts

Posted - 09 March 2012 :  2:12:53 PM
There are no excuses for such behaviour and I don't see why it should be allowed just because of tradition/culture.

The Phantom Wreck Rat
Dive-Oz Supporter

Wollongong
Australia
1789 Posts

Posted - 09 March 2012 :  2:53:05 PM
Disgracefull! The govt should build them an abattoir with qualified OH&S, environment, ethics and other inspectors on hand to supervise the humane putting to sleep of these animals before they are butchered. Don't those people realise it's unacceptable in this modern world we live in. Just because they dont live in the big city, drive cars, shop at Wollies and have iphones/ipads is no excuse.

Now im off to the black market to buy a kilo of dugong and some turtle flippers for the BBQ tonight.

ovakil
150+ Posts

Redcliffe
Australia
174 Posts

Posted - 10 March 2012 :  1:35:00 PM
Hunting just cause it's tradition & culture,with modern day equipment.Go figure.
If they were made to use traditional weapons,there would be a lot less killings.
Doubt in any of them could make a spear let alone a canoe.
As usual 2 sets of rules.

DA
300+ Posts

brisbane
Australia
482 Posts

Posted - 10 March 2012 :  4:28:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by flibbermegibbets

Repeal the Native Title Act, then drag the locals out of the third world, thereby allowing prosecution as if they were just like the rest of us.

Location of birth, colour of skin and poorly executed but well meaning governmental acts that are barely relevant is no excuse to sit idly by and watch a species taken to extinction.

This is my opinion and I will defend it vehemently.



Repeal, geez are you a nazi or something?

They are being taken to extinction too!(aboriginals)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_War

Turn native title into freehold title owned by their relative tribal councils would be the smart way to deal with it.

Then they have no right to kill turtles or dugongs, could do developments and live like modern people, instead for being treated like animals and behaving like them.

Then the government could get rid of all welfare extras they get because of the problems of having no legal treaty or agreement/settlement.

They would sell the land over time(to get some money!) and have nothing left to argue for handouts.
Be nice to have development in the top end and be able to get some productivity out of those areas, instead of the government land banking the mineral resources and having people living on freehold would force the Miners apply the proper EPA rules to their ventures.
As it is you can't buy land on the cape or the top of WA, could have cities there.

Hey it worked in the USA!

Edited by - DA on 10 March 2012 11:57:16 PM

seadragon57
600+ Posts

Elliston South Australia
Australia
662 Posts

Posted - 10 March 2012 :  7:13:48 PM
If that was a video of 2 white guys cutting the fins off a live Turtle, they would be in Jail and there names and Pictures splatterd all over the front page of every News paper in the Land.. And so they should have that punishment. Same should go for those lot in the video.

Knowone
30+ Posts

Brisbane
Australia
45 Posts

Posted - 10 March 2012 :  8:24:16 PM
Hey! Trade places with them and start a veggie patch

DA
300+ Posts

brisbane
Australia
482 Posts

Posted - 10 March 2012 :  8:41:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Knowone

Hey! Trade places with them and start a veggie patch



You been whatchun Vasili's garden again CHANEL 31 community TV!

ring23
Dive-Oz Supporter 2008/2011

Sydney
Australia
2655 Posts

Posted - 10 March 2012 :  11:57:22 PM
At what point did hunting with metal tools in a tinny with an outboard become a traditional hunting practice?

Get in a bark canoe with wooden and stone tools and then you can claim tradition, otherwise your just another bunch of Aussies killing a protected species, IMO.

Andy Del
Dive-Oz Supporter

JJ flier with a KISS on the side
Australia
2744 Posts

Posted - 11 March 2012 :  06:56:00 AM
Seeing as the whaling season down south is winding up, maybe a certain Capt. Paul Watson and Sea shepherd can lend a hand...

seadragon57
600+ Posts

Elliston South Australia
Australia
662 Posts

Posted - 11 March 2012 :  09:59:56 AM
The same thing crossed my mind Andy

mick64
30+ Posts

Brisbane
Australia
129 Posts

Posted - 11 March 2012 :  11:31:28 AM
I am disgusted in our lawmakers allowing thickheaded morons continue to act like sub humans spouting culture as their excuse!These people should have the same rights as the rest of society, no more no less.Firstly charge them with animal cruelty then see how long these criminals survive when they fend for themselves in jail.

rachel
Dive-Oz Supporter 2008

Brisbane
Australia
1337 Posts

Posted - 11 March 2012 :  11:56:54 AM
animal cruelty charges rarely end up with a jail sentence, few get a conviction even.

rachel

di dalam
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Australia
24 Posts

Posted - 11 March 2012 :  1:45:09 PM
Why don't you write to the local member for Cook , Jason O'Brien about this. Put a question to him via the editor in the Cairns Post & the Torres News.

DA
300+ Posts

brisbane
Australia
482 Posts

Posted - 11 March 2012 :  4:17:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ring23

At what point did hunting with metal tools in a tinny with an outboard become a traditional hunting practice?





The outboard motor, as a portable propulsion system for boats that would otherwise be powered manually by oars and/or sails, was first designed around 1870 by Gustave Trouv, patented in may 1880 (Patent N 136,560). It was a small 5 kg. electric device.

Michael Hilling
Dive-Oz Supporter 2011

Sydney
Australia
254 Posts

Posted - 11 March 2012 :  4:31:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by di dalam

Why don't you write to the local member for Cook , Jason O'Brien about this. Put a question to him via the editor in the Cairns Post & the Torres News.


Better still write a letter of protest and deliver it in person to the Aboriginal Tent Embassy Canberra.

burna
Dive-Oz Supporter 2011

Melbourne VIC
Australia
1336 Posts

Posted - 11 March 2012 :  9:44:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ring23

At what point did hunting with metal tools in a tinny with an outboard become a traditional hunting practice?

Get in a bark canoe with wooden and stone tools and then you can claim tradition, otherwise your just another bunch of Aussies killing a protected species, IMO.



Agree.
I have no problem about them hunting these animals out of tradition but they should be using traditional methods which don't include tinnies with outboards etc.

Endangered or not, the species would have a much higher rate or survival.

di dalam
New To Forums


Australia
24 Posts

Posted - 11 March 2012 :  10:18:13 PM
Worse treatment of animals is tolerated by officers employed by agencies supposed to prevent this.
Trouble is people dismiss reports as exaggeration and get called names.

downbelow
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lucinda
Australia
1 Posts

Posted - 14 March 2012 :  11:55:03 AM
It'll be interesting to see what comes as a result of this news story. I live in the north and it didn't seem like a big news story up here, maybe it's taken for granted that this is the way it is?
Last year after cyclone Yasi it was well reported "Traditional owners' groups in North Queensland have agreed to stop hunting dugongs and turtles to let the two species recover from the effects of disastrous floods." I sometimes work and dive around islands with communities and while this was in the headlines of the local papers, the reality was far different. I had always assumed that the hunting/catching of these species where set aside for special ceremonies and events. Curious, when some local lads, spotted with a dead turtle in their tinny, where asked what the special event was? The reply was that there was definitely no event, simply that they had seen it and proudly caught it to eat it.
A few days later working at a resort (on a national park island in the middle of the great barrier reef marine park), a couple of the local indigenous employees had somehow caught an echidna with a plan to eat it. It took a good bit of convincing from the manager that they had a 5 star chef cooking for them so they didn't really need to eat it, that they let it go.

One thing I don't fully understand is why the Queensland Government has ordered an immediate investigation as I figure they should already be well aware of this sort of practice. Anyways, politics is and the running of a country is well beyond me.

Maybe Traditional Hunting could be better referred to as Traditional Eating?

burna
Dive-Oz Supporter 2011

Melbourne VIC
Australia
1336 Posts

Posted - 14 March 2012 :  12:17:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by downbelow


One thing I don't fully understand is why the Queensland Government has ordered an immediate investigation as I figure they should already be well aware of this sort of practice. Anyways, politics is and the running of a country is well beyond me.




Seen to be doing something as opposed to actually doing something.
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