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Matty Hampster Diver
1200+ Posts

Brisbane
Australia
1909 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  07:30:03 AM
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/02gabe_watson_acquitted_of_all_c.html


Link dodgy, use JDZ's

Edited by - Matty Hampster Diver on 24 February 2012 08:08:55 AM

drpete
30+ Posts

brisbane
Australia
121 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  07:39:37 AM
I will NEVER believe that this clown is innocent. Nothing he said at the time or since makes the slightest sense. How do you leave a buddy in distress? That's the POINT to having a buddy! How could you not just inflate her BCD and take her to the surface? Or at least put your occy in her gob, hold on tight and inflate your own? Don't start me on this boofhead......

jdz
PRISM Pilot / Dive-Oz Supporter 2011

Melbourne
Australia
1537 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  07:43:14 AM
this link works...

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/02/gabe_watson_acquitted_of_all_c.html

dteubner
Dive-Oz Supporter

Adelaide
Australia
838 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  08:20:55 AM
Another link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2105551/Gabe-Watson-trial-Honeymoon-scuba-dive-murder-husband-acquitted-killing-Tina-Watson.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

He did kill his wife, just not on purpose.

Dave T

Lesley
Dive-Oz Supporter 2010/2011

The Shire
Australia
1591 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  08:29:38 AM
He might be a boofhead drpete, but that doesn't make him a murderer. You of course, witness to trial by media, are much better qualified to conclude on his guilt than the judge who threw it out based on the evidence presented by the prosecution...

Matty Hampster Diver
1200+ Posts

Brisbane
Australia
1909 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  08:35:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Lesley

He might be a boofhead drpete, but that doesn't make him a murderer. You of course, witness to trial by media, are much better qualified to conclude on his guilt than the judge who threw it out based on the evidence presented by the prosecution...




saves me posting, thanks Lesley

Matt

Lesley
Dive-Oz Supporter 2010/2011

The Shire
Australia
1591 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  08:49:19 AM
always glad to be of assistance Matt

drpete
30+ Posts

brisbane
Australia
121 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  09:53:39 AM
Obviously the legal system would never make a mistake and far be it from me to suggest as much so I stand chastised, but everything he did was absolutely counter-intuitive to both what he was trained to do and how common sense would dictate how you would act. If your buddy's on the bottom not breathing, of course you would just leave them there.

Lesley
Dive-Oz Supporter 2010/2011

The Shire
Australia
1591 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  10:12:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by drpete

Obviously the legal system would never make a mistake and far be it from me to suggest as much so I stand chastised, but everything he did was absolutely counter-intuitive to both what he was trained to do and how common sense would dictate how you would act. If your buddy's on the bottom not breathing, of course you would just leave them there.

Of course the legal system makes mistakes. It's just better placed to make a decision than the court of public opinion.

You don't actually KNOW what he did, so how is it counter-intuitive? Being rescue trained doesn't mean rescue proficient, particularly for an inexperienced, occasional diver. Panicked people do strange things all the time, things they would not do if they were thinking straight, things they would not do or say in hindsight. Ever been there? Your actions might get questioned too.

Michael McFadyen has a very loooong and detailed look at this case here: http://www.michaelmcfadyenscuba.info/viewpage.php?page_id=523
It is very well worth the read.

drpete
30+ Posts

brisbane
Australia
121 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  10:21:39 AM
No problem. When proved wrong I'm the first to put my hand up and admit it. I don't know what happened and the man is innocent. Appologies.

zed
30+ Posts


Australia
48 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  11:19:30 AM
He may or may not be innocent, that is not the point The judge has told the prosecutor that he can't get a strong enough case to convict, so he is stopping it before it goes any further. Remember the prosecution has to prove he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, not the other way around.

Even if he did murder her, there were so extra issues with this case, including jurisdiction and double jeopardy, so this case was always going to be messy.

Edited by - zed on 24 February 2012 11:21:20 AM

Trev Jackson
600+ Posts

Cairns
Australia
1151 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  11:22:48 AM
The thing that has always amazed me about this case is how many really really experienced divers said 'yeh that could happen' and how many not so experienced divers, and the general public, said, 'hes a murderer'. Sanity has prevailed finally

Isnt it ironic that Azaria Chamberlain is back in the news

Stealth Diver
30+ Posts


Australia
103 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  11:34:05 AM
Well now thats over.... back to GREAT WHITE SHARKS ARE GOING TO EAT EVERYONE

goferrin99
30+ Posts


Australia
64 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  11:48:35 AM
Dont get me started on the Australian legal system.....

I did jury service once (yes I know that makes me a fully qualified critic of the system...). A guy and his mate spend all afternoon getting totally pi$$ed. At 2am they decide it would be a great idea to DRIVE into town and look for some entertainment at the local nightclub. Caught on CCTV abusing bouncers and taking the first swing. Bouncer drops him with one punch and carries him out. Bouncer is charged with assault. Prosecution is a young rising star out to make a name for herself. Has months of preperation. Previous history, trainng records, medical & psych reports on the effect of intoxication....the works. Bouncer is broke and has legal aide appointed the morning of the trial. Council for the Defence is lucky to know how to tie his shoe laces.

Result: pi$$ed d1ckhead gets compensated and the bouncer gets 6 months suspended.

Technically, was excessive force used: yes. Did the guy deserve a smack in the head: definitely.

Moral of the story: dont say a thing without representation and get the best lawyer you can afford asap. Even if its J walking.....

Rant off.

Trickie Dickie
1200+ Posts

Kingston
Australia
1425 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  1:35:03 PM
So much for the "he won't get a fair trial in Alabama" protestations before he was extradited.

I must admit to being in the "he musta done it camp" there for a while, but as it's gone on I've become very cynical about it all. And having seen the outcome of other courses, I'd now be a bit reluctant to take the Trained Rescue Diver badge at face-value.

Dave Mc
30+ Posts

Brisbane
Australia
103 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  2:19:55 PM
I think the District Attorney in the USA that prosecuted this case owes the Qld DPP a large apology. Not to mention the US DA giving the parents of the victim an unrealistic hope of a successful conviction. Unbelievable!
It appears that maybe us yokels in Australia do know what we are doing !

mike0396
30+ Posts

Brisbane
Australia
104 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  2:45:06 PM
Thanks Lesley - Michael McFadyen's article is very eye opening. This is a must read for everyone.

Lindy may even be innocent!

kittles
150+ Posts

Gold Coast
Australia
271 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  3:22:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Mc

I think the District Attorney in the USA that prosecuted this case owes the Qld DPP a large apology. Not to mention the US DA giving the parents of the victim an unrealistic hope of a successful conviction. Unbelievable!
It appears that maybe us yokels in Australia do know what we are doing !



It was poorly investigated here too.. the US outcome doesn't change that heh

Dave Mc
30+ Posts

Brisbane
Australia
103 Posts

Posted - 24 February 2012 :  7:03:16 PM
Kittles, the matter was very well investigated by the Qld Police Investigators. It was either the Coroner or the Supreme court judge that commended them on the high quality of their investigation. This is very rare for a judge to do. Download the Australian Story episode on the matter and you may become a little more enlightened champ.

DA
300+ Posts

brisbane
Australia
482 Posts

Posted - 25 February 2012 :  12:46:42 AM
If you wanted to murder someone, especially your cheese n kisses! this wouldn't be the surest way to do it and get away with it................
Run her over pissed or stage a car accident would be a "safer" way to go!


It's so suss to have her insured, I find it impossible to think it's not dirty somehow, but I am no judge or legal type.

It's a real shame it happened here in Australia.
Most Americans I've meet diving have been exemplary divers....sad we got "dumb and dumber" come over and create such a sh!t storm, couldn't of happened at a worse time for dive ops over here.

I hope the woman's family find some peace of mind, given time to get over this tragedy.
As for the dickhead; well he has to live that!
Not that I think hes capable of feeling to deeply about it yet, having watched Australian story he seemed quite lucid mentally, he's already hooked up with another bird.

I hope it haunts his thoughts for life and steals the joy of it from him at some stage.

Stupidity will always cost lives you can't legislate it out of existence, time to get real and move on.
Michael appears to have invested a lot of time here to show how serious diving is to those who romanticize about do it, but don't have the aptitude.
A good instructor is worth every penny.
I have seen a few divers that shouldn't bother or should stick to skindiving for a few years first.

Edited by - DA on 25 February 2012 12:49:11 AM

Michael McFadyen
1200+ Posts

Sydney
Australia
1316 Posts

Posted - 25 February 2012 :  03:42:53 AM
I have just spent the week in the court in Birmingham, Alabama, as diving adviser to the defence. Listening to the actual evidence, it became apparent very early that this would not even get to go to the jury to decide. Every single prosecution witness that I listened to was turned and became a defence witness apart from Tommy Thomas.

The facts are that the Queensland police did not understand scuba diving (even the police divers had no idea) and then presented "facts" that were not true. How about continually using the term "bear hug" to describe how the only "witness" to what happened had seen Gabe hold Tina. The only problem with this of course was that he was describing the rescuer Wade Singleton holding Tina as he brought her to the surface.

If anyone has any questions on this matter, please read my web site articles (8 pages - about 35 A4 pages) and then, if you have any more questions, post them here and I will be happy to answer them.

There is an article on page 17 of today's Sydney Morning Herald which is pretty accurate. The photograph shows from left to right, Gabe Watson, Daniel Watson, Michael McFadyen (partially hidden), Dr Carl Edmonds, Peter Patrick (The Age newspaper).

Justice has been done finally.

Edited by - Michael McFadyen on 25 February 2012 08:11:05 AM
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