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SouthCoastDiver
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South Coast WA
Australia
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 Posted - 24 January 2010 : 3:18:10 PM
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Fair call My-way, communication and a shared understanding prior to the dive is undoubtedly the way to go.
As an inexperienced diver though, I'm not overly confident I could always separate the wheat from the chaff when evaluating my new dive-buddy in terms of his skills and knowledge.
I'd hate to compromise the safety of both of us because I was taken in by someone who can talk the talk but not necessarily walk the walk.
I guess when all is said and done, there is no substitute for hard-won experience.
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My-way
Dive-Oz Supporter 2008
Fantasy land
Australia
1813 Posts |
Posted - 24 January 2010 : 5:15:48 PM
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I hope you don't think I was having a go at you because I was not.
There is just no susbstitute for talking things through with your buddy whether they be a same ocean buddy or a hand holding buddy. As long as you both know and agree the expectations of each other before the dive every thing from that perspective should be peachy. |
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Saspotato
Dive-Oz Supporter 2008
Melbourne
Australia
1173 Posts |
Posted - 24 January 2010 : 5:51:51 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by SouthCoastDiver
Fair call My-way, communication and a shared understanding prior to the dive is undoubtedly the way to go.
As an inexperienced diver though, I'm not overly confident I could always separate the wheat from the chaff when evaluating my new dive-buddy in terms of his skills and knowledge.
I'd hate to compromise the safety of both of us because I was taken in by someone who can talk the talk but not necessarily walk the walk.
I guess when all is said and done, there is no substitute for hard-won experience.
SCD
Yea it can be hard. Try to get someone to dive with regularly and that way you won't have to worry about finding buddies on boats, as it can be hit and miss even if you discuss things beforehand (though usually it's not because someone has deliberately ignored the plan but just they've made a mistake or something). I think a good buddy is nice to have, but if you're going with instabuddies on the boats all the times it is better to do dives you'd be comfortable with if they bailed or did something stupid as you can't guarantee a good buddy.
Most of my regular buddies I met through dive forums or through dive clubs (about 50/50) and then you get to know people and can get more comfortable as you know what to expect when you dive with them. |
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gumi
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syd
Australia
2 Posts |
Posted - 27 January 2010 : 9:26:03 PM
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hi,
i think that all of it delivers from the fact that most of divers are not been educated properly. there are other diving schools than PADI, who are taking more educative aproach to the candidates. i believe that all this people that have posted here are trained by the same school ( at least as first divers qualification ).
as PADI states: PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION OF DIVING INSTRUCTORS , the organization is driven by MONEY , rather than passing as much knowlege to the candidates as sport organization . the first diving school i went was CMAS ( CONFEDERATION MONDIALE DES ACTIVITES SUBAQUATIQUES ) http://www.cmas2000.org/
the reason im mentioning this is that on first level of divers certification , ( 1 STAR DIVER) , besides all the other stuff ( decco diving theory )all the candidates are trained HOW TO DO BUDDY BREATHE ON S I N G L E SECOND STAGE.
IM ALSO TRAINED ON PADI ( DIVEMASTER) , and i can see the difference in teaching.
padi relies on fact that EVERYONE WILL BLINDLY FOLLOW RULES ( preety restricted to get diving organization secured from law sue ) , and that nothing wrong will happened down there. minimum knowlege to beginners , as to keep it as SIMPLE , so that EVERYONE can do SCUBADIVING , and there so making good custommers ( money)...
so if you are more concerned about safety , get your self as much knowlege ( books,published magazines, professional instructions ...) and ask questions ...
all accidents derives from lack of experience combined with lack of theory knowlege , or in minimum number of cases third factor ( gear failure ..)
CHOOSE YOUR BUDDY WISELY ....
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My-way
Dive-Oz Supporter 2008
Fantasy land
Australia
1813 Posts |
Posted - 27 January 2010 : 10:31:04 PM
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"i believe that all this people that have posted here are trained by the same school"
Really!?, well I'm sure that my first cert was not a PADI one and I'm sure I am probably not the only one. |
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pgcarter
Dive-Oz Supporter
Bairnsdale
Australia
1403 Posts |
Posted - 28 January 2010 : 07:53:38 AM
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I have a FAUI OW from 1985, not one PADI CERT, some IANTD, some TDI, a GUE....real fruit salad.....so what??
regards Phill |
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Mike
1200+ Posts
Melbourne
Australia
1290 Posts |
Posted - 28 January 2010 : 1:22:51 PM
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Originally posted by gumi
i believe that all this people that have posted here are trained by the same school ( at least as first divers qualification ).
all accidents derives from lack of experience combined with lack of theory knowlege , or in minimum number of cases third factor ( gear failure ..)
CHOOSE YOUR BUDDY WISELY ....
Oddly enough my first qualification WAS with PADI - where I was trained to budy breathe from a single second stage, and we drilled the skill a whole bunch.
What's a wise choice in buddy? Someone who is so ill prepared that they can only offer you budy breathing as a bailout option?
I must have suffered from a lack of experience (and definately theory knowledge) this week, as I had an incident and chose to use an alternate gas supply. One buddy saw I had it under control and let me get on with it, another one offered me a reg. Both approaches seemed retty reasonable to me. I must have chosen them wisely as I hadn't seen either of them for the last hour, but they were there to have a laugh at my expense.
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TB
150+ Posts
Sydney
Australia
179 Posts |
Posted - 30 January 2010 : 01:56:45 AM
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It's a total fact that the most useless course you will ever do will be teamed with the best cert card. That is PADI ADVANCED, this means I can dive deep but have NFI. Therfore no baby buddies.
Lover hates pulling a DM card many places. You all know why.
This makes you the nervous, out of practice, got my C-card 10 years ago buddy. However in fairness to his excellenceness, he actually adores it, he hasn't done this for a job in 20 years. And he's a natural born calmining influence.
However my thoughts to topic.
Im Rescue cert, we (randomn person) are buddies, including you air pig.
Really the worst Ill ever do is stick you back on the ascent line and make damned sure you are ascending. If you aren't that confident then game over for me too.
It's cool, you didn't mean it and we had a great dive anyway. Live and happy buddies are far more fun than an extra 10 mins.
Actually I'm cool with this, it's not about me, it's about did we have a good time???
Did you suck air too fast? Maybe, You'll get better, let's talk about it.
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Edited by - TB on 30 January 2010 02:07:51 AM |
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