Oh that is just plain (imported) sadness if ever one has to read some. Whats next from a bunch of Maggots upon a floating log chanting "Stroke...stroke...the log turns over." before the big flush.
Don't worry Sue, at least you had the courage to appear on DiveOz in the hope of a better solution. Still, the LDS in question hasn't appeared and all that you recieve is flatulance from the LDS's fellow Citi-Zens up there in the stands.
Did you know that Bondi is ranked Number Two (2) behind Ipanema as the Worlds Best Beach. Mind you, everyone in Australia knows that Bondi is a crapola beach that offers 'convenience' much like McDonalds and Woolworths to a high density of people who don't know any better...let alone get to anything better. The better beaches are in Jervis Bay and thats just a start of many 'better' things outside of cities like Scam-Sydney. Oh wait! There is a good shore-dive behind the Lodge at Kirribilli. Or is that the swimming pool?
Don't let LDS's who lack confidence to say positive things about others up front draw you into their little black hole at the centre of the galaxy. If you are not careful, they will take you under for all the wrong reasons like a panicked drowning victim.
May the Hare reap much royalties from writing a story about losing a race to a Tortoise (cuz the Hare had a dream) and may my Straw House blow away them old Brick 'citi' perceptions with a Huff and a Puff.
I look forward to going down to JB again and again...its worth the scenic drive.Sydney isn't all bad - if you live on a boat on the harbour itself.
quote: the last one I spoke too last week said he was going to break my legs if I continued to sell gear direct
youre joking
Nope no joking Trev. There are some very bitter LDS owners out there.
There are also some bloody top LDS's as have been mentioned in the other thread that offer great service to their customers, it's just some that seem to have a real issue with a bit of competition.
Oh that is just plain (imported) sadness if ever one has to read some. Whats next from a bunch of Maggots upon a floating log chanting "Stroke...stroke...the log turns over." before the big flush.
Don't worry Sue, at least you had the courage to appear on DiveOz in the hope of a better solution. Still, the LDS in question hasn't appeared and all that you recieve is flatulance from the LDS's fellow Citi-Zens up there in the stands.
Did you know that Bondi is ranked Number Two (2) behind Ipanema as the Worlds Best Beach. Mind you, everyone in Australia knows that Bondi is a crapola beach that offers 'convenience' much like McDonalds and Woolworths to a high density of people who don't know any better...let alone get to anything better. The better beaches are in Jervis Bay and thats just a start of many 'better' things outside of cities like Scam-Sydney. Oh wait! There is a good shore-dive behind the Lodge at Kirribilli. Or is that the swimming pool?
Don't let LDS's who lack confidence to say positive things about others up front draw you into their little black hole at the centre of the galaxy. If you are not careful, they will take you under for all the wrong reasons like a panicked drowning victim.
May the Hare reap much royalties from writing a story about losing a race to a Tortoise (cuz the Hare had a dream) and may my Straw House blow away them old Brick 'citi' perceptions with a Huff and a Puff.
I look forward to going down to JB again and again...its worth the scenic drive.Sydney isn't all bad - if you live on a boat on the harbour itself.
Jervis Bay - attracting Divers naturally
Utter Crap. I guess thats just typical Blue hawrasse Courage? courage in the face of what? a dive shop worker who expressed his opinion based upon lack of knowledge? wow some courage! As to the maggots, the hares, tortoises and your straw house. dude lay off the weed! I am no longer posting on this topic as it has degenerated farther into the sh!t heap than where its OP started it.
Don't worry Sue, at least you had the courage to appear on DiveOz in the hope of a better solution. Still, the LDS in question hasn't appeared and all that you recieve is flatulance from the LDS's fellow Citi-Zens up there in the stands. .....
.....I look forward to going down to JB again and again...its worth the scenic drive.......
Jervis Bay - attracting Divers naturally
I think I recieved a bit of flatulence in another topic on Jervis Bay today Time to reply, especially as it appears I have provided bad service to a couple of divers.
quote:Originally posted by Barracuda
......Here is something I posted earlier,
quote:Originally posted by Barracuda
A few years ago I was looking at some mid week diving around Sydney and posted here to see if anyone was interested.
Someone contacted me and said they were interested and knew a lot of good shore dives about 2.5 hrs from Sydney.
Sounded good and arranged a time; then they told me they were an independent operator and I had to pay for the pleasure.
Name left out to protect the guilty.
If it wasn't obvious, it was you Sue who worked this wonderful bit of customer service.........
Sorry Barracuda, no it wasn't obvious to me. There has to be more to the story regarding the circumstances you are discribing. Yes, I may have replied to your post telling you about Jervis Bay, inviting you to contact me. If you contacted me, then I would have told you the services I provide, then it would be your choice to dive with me or not. You say a few years ago, I've been operating for only 2 and a half.
quote:Originally posted by Lordscuba79
Funnily enough Barra I had a similar experience while in JB a couple of years back. Mother Nature decided we wouldn't be boat diving and one of the guides (no name will be mentioned of course) says 'ah we can go for a shore dive'. So we say yeah sure why not, sounds like a nice sociable thing to do (as where we come from we go shore diving all the time, it's Nelsons Bay, who wouldn't). So we meet up and gear up and start on the trek lugging our gear to the water and then said guide starts to mention the price to our trip leader/DM. Here we are walking along wondering what brought on his fits of laughter. Later we found out.
Needless to say no money was exchanged. But there was indeed a very a strong note to self for us and to make sure others were aware of such tactics.
Make of it what you will.
I remember your group. I was the DM that weekend, way back when I did the odd DM work for one of the LDS. It was a shame the weather then was as foul as it's been for the past few days. The day was Easter Sunday about 4 years ago. My discussion with your group leader was only to clarify some "grey areas" to do with your booking through the LDS. You are right that no money changed hands, because neither the LDS nor both accomodations involved with your group got paid for any part of your weekend away. How much did it cost each one of you? The dive group that you were diving with have not been forgotten and if they don't come back to Jervis Bay, or if they don't choose utilise my services, then so be it. Customers like the group you were with on that weekend are not the sort of divers I want to cater to. Yes, I remember your group well, the only divers that have caused me to exit the water and just walk away. Why would I do such a thing? Here's a tip if you've got a guide, follow them if you want to see anything, don't keep swimming off in the wrong direction. After my 3rd attempt to point you all in the right direction, I realised your group leader was leading you away intentionally so I gave up, got out and went home. I wasn't there to solo dive on Easter Sunday when I could have been at home with the family.
quote:Originally posted by toefa
Sue, weren't you the one doing the rounds over the new year break handing out your pamphlets saying that the 'other shop' (the one near the Husky pub) was **** because it tells everyone the same old spots to go to and doesn't really give out any good info, but you'd take divers to the best spots etc etc.
We got out of the water down there and a friend had told me about you. I was kind of amused at the tactics and made a mental note NOT to visit your business.
I don't think you'd need to do that kind of thing if you were getting people to the best spots, and had service that was outstanding, because the word of mouth effect would have already seen you booked out over that time. As im sure the other shop was.
Anyway, don't you think it may have been a better idea to start a thread saying 'hey there are shore dives in Jervis Bay' and not create a fuss over it? You sound a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
If I hand out the odd brochure or 2 when I see divers at a site where I happen to also be, why shouldn't I. They might not know about me being an alternative to the only LDS that has a shop in Jervis Bay. If you don't want the brochure, then throw it away. If I said something about them to your friend, it was only because they brought up the subject first. I never would have said a word that could not be completely written, so I'm not sure what you mean by "****" or "etc, etc." I usually tell people that they are not friendly, which is the truth. It's been that way since the shop was known as Pro Dive and won't change until it changes owners. It's no secret that they don't get my recommendation, but I don't tell people NOT to go there. 99.9% of the time, they have already been in to see them and leave feeling the same way about them that I do.
I also remember the day I gave your friend the brochure. It was New Year's day and I was snorkling with my sister and her kids who were visiting from Qld. I remember seeing you all gear up and enter the water. I immediately noticed that you didn't have a dive flag. Not very wise when its peak holiday season down here. That happens to be the same day we saw over a hundred Eagle Ray's that I mentioned earlier in the topic. The same day that was my ONLY day off, because, I was fully booked and unable to assist many divers who chose to wait until the last minute before booking something.
Yes,I could have started the thread under many different headings, but the title I gave it got way more attention for the shore diving in Jervis Bay. Just look at the comparisons between how many have read this topic and the other topic that's titled Jervis Bay.
As for the other accusations about things I have said on this thread, they were only responses to questions and comments made. Interperet my intensions however you like. You will anyway. The divers that have left satisfied after shore diving Jervis Bay far outway the few of you who critise me while hiding behind the anonymity of a web forum user name.
Jeez, and I thought I could push a topic past it's use by date!!!!
Just let it go, you got your free add, much good may it do you, now, as The Lord Humungus! The Warrior of the Wasteland! The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla himself, once put it
There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Just walk away and we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.
Firstly I'll start this with an apology to Dive-Oz for not just letting this die and also to Jervis Bay, which is a great place and I hope this thread hasn't turned anyone away from the place.
Sue- if it truly is the case that neither the LDS or accommodation received payment for that trip I am not impressed. The dealings we had with the LDS were good and the accommodation (well the second lot we ended up in, not the one that was like 'Deliverance' country)was really good. I know that we were refunded for the dives we couldn't do, but if no payment at all went to the LDS and so on that sucks. But it also has not much to do with the original point.
I will leave it there as I agree with the others and think the thread/advertisement has had enough.
I hope Jervis Bay doesn't lose out on account of it.
You're all absolutely right - in the name of humanity we should put this dismal thread out of its misery! But I'm stuck at an airport for a couple of hours with nothing to do, and am so appalled at the contemptible nature of the latest accusations that I'll be silly enough to add one last response. Here it is.
"I could have started the thread under many different headings, but the title I gave it got way more attention for the shore diving in Jervis Bay"
That's priceless! So, falsely accusing a dive business of dishonesty got you a few more hits, eh Sue? What a pity you didn't think of throwing in accusations of child molestation, or the staff being typhoid carriers. Who knows how many more might have been sucked into reading your stuff than just plain old accusations of dishonesty.
But even if another million people, ten million people, a billion people had read this thread, they would all have seen just the same thing.
Which is:
Someone bleating about the dishonesty of dive shops (with no evidence to support this ill-judged public accusation).
Someone who, judging from the facts offered by divers in the thread, would be a better focus for suggestions of dodgy practices than those subjected to the flimsy self-serving accusations.
Someone who whines about the lack of publicity for Jervis Bay shore dives, but who over four pages and many weeks has never offered any useful information whatever. No sites, no pictures, nothing.
Someone who *****es about customers, *****es about divemasters, *****es about other dive operators in her area, *****es about dive operators elsewhere, *****es about Sydney dive sites, *****es about people posting to DiveOz, *****es about
Someone who exhibits not a trace of a sense of humour, despite some very fine and witty suggestions being offered, and instead exhibits only all-consuming righteousness and an endless stream of accusations, seemingly against every man, woman or dog that has ever crossed her path.
Someone who claims that, despite everybody with direct experience of her service who has posted drawing attention to her curious manner of doing business, they are just full of it, and the vast horde of happy customers would tell the TRUE story. You know, true. TRUE. Not like what those awful people have said. Not like those lying dive shops. Not like those gutless sneaks who dare to respond to the nasty posts on DiveOz.
Not one of the vast horde of happy customers has, it seems, felt inclined to add a damn thing to this thread, despite it going on and on and on and on for weeks.
In fact theres nothing to indicate that anyone (well, count Blue Hawrasse if youre REALLY desperate) wants to ally themselves to this pathetic cause. There appears to be no support from divers, dive operators, anyone.
Someone who can't spell the ONLY element of all the above that nobody should hold against you!
And more, but I can't be bothered itemising further, as, along with everyone else, I'm sick of this stuff which must rank as perhaps the nastiest attempt at self promotion by abusing others in the history of DiveOz.
And as that's what anyone reading through this sorry stuff will find, I would have thought that the most sensible objective, if anything is to be salvaged, would be to try to PREVENT as many people as possible from seeing it.
It's poisonous! Hey, Sue, I scarcely know you (our only encounter being on Mick and Lyn's boat, years ago) but just going on the traits you've exhibited in this thread, I'd cross the street to avoid you!
That may sound harsh, but it's the simple reality, and I expect most readers have reached the same conclusion. It's a testament to the restraint and good humour of DiveOzians that nobody has given you both barrels already.
In fact most have tried to help you see the light. Apparently in vain.
And the final straw, The divers that have left satisfied after shore diving Jervis Bay far outway the few of you who critise me while hiding behind the anonymity of a web forum user name.
Let's be kind enough to leave aside the absence of anything from this vast throng of satisfied customers, and just turn our attention to the "few of you who critise me while hiding behind the anonymity of a web forum user name".
Sue, every person who has posted on this thread has done so according to the conventions that this site (along with just about every other such site in the world) has adopted.
As for further identity (even though that usually has no bearing on what is being posted) divers from all round the country, especially those connected with the business, should mostly know who at least the major figures in the Oz dive world are.
But if you really are totally out of touch with who's who in the diving scene in your own state, indeed your own area, I'm happy to provide some background, albeit unauthorised.
The person hiding behind the name Bazza, is actually a bloke called Bazza, who was running a dive shop long before you took your first breath underwater.
The person hiding behind the name Lesley, is actually a woman called Lesley, who was running a dive shop long before you took your first breath underwater.
The person oh. What's the use?
I'm starting to feel quite grubby just being associated with this thread, and regretting I ever spent an idle few minutes writing this. I'd better go and clean up, and try to forget all about it.
Well said Derek! Just on a side note.. This thread has been read over 4000 times!! Just think.. all the people out there that now have a rather jaded view of this Sue character...
Agree with mash, Id prolly cross the street If i saw her too! Problem is, there is only one main street in husky and not too many pubs!!
As for anonimity, My names Dean. Everyone calls me Spiro. And i have had the privelige of diving at many locations, (not just the one place jervis bay) over the past 10 years. JB is a lovely place to dive as are many many others all for their own reasons. (just gotta watch out for that cranky old lady!!)
You're all absolutely right - in the name of humanity we should put this dismal thread out of its misery! But I'm stuck at an airport for a couple of hours with nothing to do, and am so appalled at the contemptible nature of the latest accusations that I'll be silly enough to add one last response. Here it is.
Noooo! Apart from Spiro, let ME be the last to post! Me me me me.
quote:The most poignant moment of all, for us adherents of the cult of Daffyism, was when after a severe thrashing, Daffy looked straight at the camera with his beak on one side of his face, his eyes swimming drunkenly, stars around his head and quietly held up a little sign that read.. In the name of humanity please end this cartoon now!
Daffy never learned, in the next cartoon Daffy is back to do it all again.
quote:The most poignant moment of all, for us adherents of the cult of Daffyism, was when after a severe thrashing, Daffy looked straight at the camera with his beak on one side of his face, his eyes swimming drunkenly, stars around his head and quietly held up a little sign that read.. In the name of humanity please end this cartoon now!
Daffy never learned, in the next cartoon Daffy is back to do it all again.
Indeed he did.
Daffy started out as a Whooo-hooooing madly jumping about devil may care funster and by the end of his career was an uncontrollable avaricious loser. In Duck Dodgers and the 24 1/2 Century he is continually disintegrated by Marvin and only un-disintegrated by the good will of his pantsless guileless sidekick Porky Pig.
I can see who is playing the roles of Daffy and Marvin here, but I am still trying to figure out who is playing the Porky Pig role?
Again: " In the name of humanity please end this cartoon now!"
Regards,
Sharks
PS: I can just see "Daffy" after reading this now lisping out the famous catchphrase... Yoourre Desthspicable....
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Posted - 23 January 2010 : 4:52:48 PM
Whats next from a bunch of Maggots upon a floating log chanting "Stroke...stroke...the log turns over." before the big flush
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'citi' perceptions with a Huff and a Puff.
I remember your group. I was the DM that weekend, way back when I did the odd DM work for one of the LDS. It was a shame the weather then was as foul as it's been for the past few days.
