Dive Charter Licence

7 years 4 months ago #23190 by seadragon57
seadragon57 created the topic: Dive Charter Licence
Hi, can someone please tell me what charter operators licence is needed to open a Dive charter business
I won't be using the vessel for fishing charters just scuba.
Thankyou :D [8D]

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7 years 4 months ago #263235 by Bazza
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None ... just a skippers ticket to match the size of vessel you will be using, if you the skipper that is. ... regards Baz

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7 years 4 months ago #263236 by IOC
IOC replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
None? Hope not!

Insurance will require you to have registration with an Industry Agency.

Their own requirements and standards will apply.

There may be state based operational standards as well, but this may only apply in QLD?

You vessel will also need to be in Survey for carrying divers.

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7 years 4 months ago #263239 by Bazza
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My comment holds true for NSW ... no such thing as a charter boat operators license. Don't know about the other states ???

regards Baz

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7 years 4 months ago #263247 by IOC
IOC replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
your right in saying there is no "licence" issued for dive charter work.

If you want to carry dive trade liability or any liability for this kind of charter work then you will need to have registered with for example, PADI or SSI as a charter business. Shops or training facilities will have this incorporated into their standards and insurance for charter work. I haven't found an insurer that will touch you without this as a stand alone charter business.

You will need to comply with your state marine legislator, who will give you your survey requirements for your vessel. All states require this. They will require a copy of your insurance.

1st step,
Talk to an Insurer (I can recommend a good one)
2nd step
Talk to your marine legislator, ie www.dtei.sa.gov.au/marine/survey
3rd step,
Talk to a dive agency

or .... align yourself with a shop and talk to them.

Its a little more involved than just getting a boat, charging money and going for a dive, and for good reason.

Good luck

Cheers

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7 years 4 months ago #263248 by neil richardson
neil richardson replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
IOC..

Umm disagree with regards "aligning yourself with an Agency" :-)

Thats only if you want to "teach"....

Otherwise, no harm in running as a boat charter providing you get the right insurance cover!!!!

If it was me, i'd chat with Workcover however.... ;-)

Edit: From memory, i (havent the folder to hand), but i normally keep a copy of the boat charters insurance policies in hand, just in case, and i recall Zurich insurance was popular!?!

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7 years 4 months ago #263251 by Bazza
Bazza replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
Mike ... I don't want to get into a sh*t fight over this but your way off track.

To start you do not need to even have insurance, not a wise move but not a requirement. The Marine Legislator, who the hell is this mob; the MSB/Waterways in NSW checks/issues your boats survey. To run a dive charter you simply have to have the boat in survey for the work you are doing plus a skipper qualified to do that work in that vessel.

regards Baz

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7 years 4 months ago #263255 by Matty Hamster Diver
Matty Hamster Diver replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
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Originally posted by IOC

your right in saying there is no "licence" issued for dive charter work.

If you want to carry dive trade liability or any liability for this kind of charter work then you will need to have registered with for example, PADI or SSI as a charter business.
Cheers




Not my expericen either, last time I talked with a broker on this it wasn't the case. In fact most boats in brisbane are not aligned with any agencyas such

Matt

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7 years 4 months ago #263259 by bundy
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I can name at least 4 insurance providers who don't require you to have an agency affiliation if you are only providing a dive boat service. Stear well clear of club marine. They will give any one a policy but it is best used as toilet paper.

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7 years 4 months ago #263262 by IOC
IOC replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
half your luck then,

I apologise that I should have said "It is my belief that ....!"

The reason i say this because my experience is such that:

MAST (Marine and Safety Tasmania) require my liability for my survey, both for passenger and diving.

I have contracts to operate in National Parks and they require public liability insurance also.

I struggled to find appropriate dive liability and the few that I found required that I be affiliated with an agency.

I worked for a company in QLD that had to go through the same process. Surveying his boat in QLD was even more stringent.

Sorry

ps, no concern for a **** fight Baz, I wished you had told me I was wrong 4 years ago, would have saved me some money!!

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7 years 4 months ago #263263 by Trickie Dickie
Trickie Dickie replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
Whingeing pom hat on.

When I dived in the UK, I dived from a number of charter boats and none of them ever gave a flying feck about whether I had a dive ticket or not; as far as they were concerned, they were just like the taxi driver taking me to a pub or a nightclub; if I got my brains beaten out or bought some dodgy drugs in there, or in the case of the dive I was doing, was in over my head, it wasn't their problem, they hadn't made me jump in the water.

So come to Australia, they want to see all your tickets, want you to be qualified to dive to whatever the depth of dive it is they are laying on and/or make you dive with a bloody guide to hold your hand.

So why the difference? Similar legal systems, same common law for getting sued under - a number of divers in the UK buy the farm each year but unless it's sheer negligence, like chopping someone up with the prop, you never here even talk of an operator getting sued in negligence for the mishap or foolhardiness or otherwise of the dead/injured diver. Same thing with airfills - again I was never asked to show my ticket before getting a fill and again, no one has ever got into trouble for selling a fill to an unqualified diver.

How has this state of affairs come about here? If the boat's in survey, insured etc, what business is it of anyone else who dives and what their qualifications or lack thereof are?

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7 years 4 months ago #263264 by pgcarter
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I think in Vic you only need a cox ticket(not actually a Master ticket) for boats under 11m? could be wrong, but I thought I heard that said by some one who operates a charter service here in Vic. Often liability insurance is not actually a legal requirement, just good sense to have it. Even in my registered health profession I am not required by law to have liability insurance, just nuts if I don't.
regards Phill

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7 years 4 months ago #263269 by spiro
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Originally posted by pgcarter

I think in Vic you only need a cox ticket(not actually a Master ticket) for boats under 11m? could be wrong, but I thought I heard that said by some one who operates a charter service here in Vic. Often liability insurance is not actually a legal requirement, just good sense to have it. Even in my registered health profession I am not required by law to have liability insurance, just nuts if I don't.
regards Phill





As bazza already stated.. all you need is the appropriate boat license and your right to go.

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7 years 4 months ago #263271 by seadragon57
seadragon57 replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
OK guys thanks very much for all your help,that makes it alot easier, i thought i would have to get a charter licence similar to a fishing charter boat... :D [8D]
Is it a 2c surveyed vessel that i need?

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7 years 4 months ago #263273 by islanddiver
islanddiver replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
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Originally posted by seadragon57

OK guys thanks very much for all your help,that makes it alot easier, i thought i would have to get a charter licence similar to a fishing charter boat... :D [8D]
Is it a 2c surveyed vessel that i need?




Yep :)

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7 years 4 months ago #263280 by luken
luken replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
Far out you guys have it easy! I need a permit for marine park a,permit to look at fish(diffrent one to take cray's), permit to drive up the river. Over here every govt department want a piece of the pie...

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7 years 4 months ago #263287 by Alien
Alien replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
Enjoy the money pit :)

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7 years 4 months ago #263322 by seadragon57
seadragon57 replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
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Originally posted by Alien

Enjoy the money pit :)


Just doing it for the life style but hey if i make some money, i'll just spend it on diving, so it'll be a nice Merry go round to be on. :D [8D]

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7 years 3 months ago #264892 by IOC
IOC replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
Just thought I would revisit an old friend.

I just survey and insured a new boat. Survey required liability. Liability also required affiliation.

I wonder how the above went in surveying and insuring their vessel?

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7 years 3 months ago #264896 by seadragon57
seadragon57 replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
My plans are for the future buddy, just learning from you guys..
Have fun :-)

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7 years 3 months ago #264929 by gtscott
gtscott replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
in nsw a v/l doesnt need to have insurance to be in survey. yet as said your stupid not to have it

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7 years 3 months ago #264961 by IOC
IOC replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
Then it's obviously state by state. I assume that they would differ in small details but in explaining my comments at the start of this thread, I couldn't believe that this is not enforced in NSW.

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7 years 3 months ago #265173 by marinediva
marinediva replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
Hi
Coxswain Ticket is 12m and under.
Coxswain cannot cross an ocean going bar.
Insurance is required both pollution and public liability.
Presently AMSA is moving to set one National system of manning certification. It is called Tinny to Tanker Certification.

The USL Uniform shipping Laws code is being updated by the NSCV
National Standards Commercial Vessels so that ALL state survey requirements are the same. This was to be finished by the end of 2010.

There is no such thing as a democracy on a vessel.
The skipper is in charge. End of story.
You cannot do as you please. Skipper is responsible for everyone.
Whether you are diving or fishing.
The skipper does not have to keep to RTO standards ie (Padi or SSI)
but they do have to keep to Australian Standards for a diving operation relevant to a vessels operation.

With the new changes all crew will also be required to have STCW95 which is an international safety training certification.
All previous state based safety training certifications will not be up to requirements.

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7 years 3 months ago #265178 by pgcarter
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What no grandfathering in of existing operators? there'll be some moaning about that and the certifying agencies of whatever the new ticket is will probably be unable to get everyone through rapidly unless something is worked out...or is it really just a rubber stamp?
regards Phill

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7 years 3 months ago #265193 by marinediva
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I am taking it that your grandfather question is in relevance to the STCW95. Currently you cannot work on an international flagged boat without it. Also it is the minimum requirement for all white boats in Aust. It is getting difficult to gain a position on most boats in Sydney without it.

RPL or recognised prior learning is applicable, but in saying that,
The nsw fire safety course just does not cover all the content of that certification. The course costs $1800 approx or you can do it as part of a coxswain, M5 or upwards in which case it only cost $600 at TAFE.

I am currently studying for my coxswain orals, and just finished the STCW95, it is a really great course. Not every day you get to go into a real fire and pretend to rescue people, nor is it an everyday event to jump from height into the water, release a life raft, right it, and get people out of the water.

I cannot answer your question, I only know what I have stated above in relevance to international vessels and the white boat industry.
With the harmonising of all state legislation to blanket commonwealth legislation, I suspect eventually it will be a requirement. What I can say with certainty, is all students GPH and upwards were told to do the STCW95 as part of their relevant study, as the costs are considerably cheaper.

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7 years 3 months ago #265194 by Bazza
Bazza replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
Hi Phil .... I think our young lady is getting a little ahead of herself here. Look at this document page 11, the coxswain cert covers all this already so no real change for boat skippers.

docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.am...diagrams_19aug09.pdf

regards Baz

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7 years 3 months ago #265196 by pgcarter
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I was having trouble how seeing they'd expect a 19yo deck hand on a dive charter boat to have this kind of ticket?? paying $1800 to do something you barely get paid at all for is doubtful economy.....What is a "white boat"?
regards Phill

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7 years 3 months ago #265204 by marinediva
marinediva replied the topic: Dive Charter Licence
White Boats are Super yachts.
Whether you are chef, steward or deckhand STCW95 is required to work on a white boat as well as any international flagged ship.

STCW95 is not covered in the Coxswain course, it is an optional extra, and can be done at the cheaper rate as part of the course.
What is covered presently is an Australian qualification, and does not cover elements of units the STCW95 does.
It is not recognised internationally.

Like I said, all students are being encouraged to do all units of the course. The reason being, a deckhand may just be gaining sea time to sit there coxswain orals later. Just because they are a GPH does not mean they will stay a GPH on a dive boat. Many jobs advertisements are asking for this qualification as a minimum requirement.

Bazza thanks for the compliment. Computer screens are obviously easy to hide ones age.

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6 years 7 months ago #277526 by DA
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Originally posted by Trickie Dickie

Whingeing pom hat on.

When I dived in the UK, I dived from a number of charter boats and none of them ever gave a flying feck about whether I had a dive ticket or not; as far as they were concerned, they were just like the taxi driver taking me to a pub or a nightclub; if I got my brains beaten out or bought some dodgy drugs in there, or in the case of the dive I was doing, was in over my head, it wasn't their problem, they hadn't made me jump in the water.

So come to Australia, they want to see all your tickets, want you to be qualified to dive to whatever the depth of dive it is they are laying on and/or make you dive with a bloody guide to hold your hand.

So why the difference? Similar legal systems, same common law for getting sued under - a number of divers in the UK buy the farm each year but unless it's sheer negligence, like chopping someone up with the prop, you never here even talk of an operator getting sued in negligence for the mishap or foolhardiness or otherwise of the dead/injured diver. Same thing with airfills - again I was never asked to show my ticket before getting a fill and again, no one has ever got into trouble for selling a fill to an unqualified diver.

How has this state of affairs come about here? If the boat's in survey, insured etc, what business is it of anyone else who dives and what their qualifications or lack thereof are?





Well it's like this you see-
After about 1984(orwell!) "they"(a'meri'ka) stopped making sitcoms about outlawed SFS(the A-team), truckers(BJ and the Bear) and stuntmen(The Fall Guy).
What came next was sh!t like "La Law"- which you're lill' kidders are watching as their goin' to school and all those lill' SOB's wanna be like Corbin Bernsen(look at him now, looks just like Benito Mussolini' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbin_Bernsen )
So they all go get law degrees, some get jobs! but most can't because there isn't enough law breakers around! so those unemployed lawyers go back to uni and do political sciences and become Pollies!
Now they go about making work for lawyers'
by making new ambiguously worded laws that they can sue the @rse off people over(remember the judge was a lawyer too once!!!).
All this!
....so they can buy an over priced house in hunters hill, a merc, type2 diabetic brat kids and a bat**** dum blonde trophy wife who probably will end up banging the pool cleaner, because she's sick to deth of watching O'pray re-runs!
Lol!!!
Cheers'
Damo ps- hope you don't get knifed at the club!

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