is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA

6 years 2 months ago #25119 by timbob
timbob created the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
Hi there I was wondering if people could supply help r.e the 'coxswains' certificate in Aus. . i know there are different states and I hear that in 2013 they are making the Coxswains between states of the same standard (or are working that out at the moment)
My situation is I have a private boat and RST, but it is under (just! sucks!) 5metres, currently in WA, so I cannot use this as recreational logged time. I hear, however, that in SA I can use this to register for 50% of time if under 5m .
To follow on with more info, I have 3 years diving experience as an instructor but didn't log any of my sea time whilst on commercial vessels (yes, over 200days). So there is a massive backlog. To avoid all of the hassle of contacting past skippers/master V's etc (some overseas) and doing 'stat decs', how can I possibly use what I actually have which is about 50days logged time in a queensland book, and be able to put recreational time on also, which is over 150 also (counting as half). I need some help because I am considering going to South Australia to do a Coxwain cert, or a NSW online one. If I do either of these (because I can add recreational time) and I wish to work as either DI or COXSWAIN in queensland and/or WA ... what should I do? I really need information on if I do* go and do coxswain's in SA this off-season, will it be recognized back up in QLD/WA ?? I am not Aus originally and have mixed stories from DTI. Would it be recognized? Or put down as a restricted CoX in wa/Qld.? ( I hear the Cox WA is recognized as Master V in QLD.... Anyway thanks for your help guys please write as much info as you can ! Cheers!

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6 years 2 months ago #284319 by Smurf
Smurf replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
So was it the Home Brand Corn Flakes or Kelloggs Corn Flakes box youre trying to get it out of?

Go Do some Sea Time as a deckie and get some experience, there is too many of you people trying to use your weekend joy rides as experience towards a commercial ticket. If I knew I could do that I would have had my Master 4 at 15, Driving a vessel is a little different than mastering one. Start by learning the rules of the road and know it word from word. With out any experience of working on a commercial boat you are going to be hard pressed on finding a job in the industry.

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6 years 2 months ago #284335 by timbob
timbob replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
yep, referring to already done well over 200 commercial days but didn't get them signed off at the time (was overseas) and hassle of getting those stat decs is unbelievable. Discovered a ropes book, going to do that & 120 are signed already
thanks for reply

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6 years 2 months ago #284345 by luken
luken replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
Don't get being a dive instructor confused? A dive instructor on a working boat has no responsibility and generally knows not much more since they already know it just ask them. :D

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6 years 2 months ago #284362 by RedSeaDiver
RedSeaDiver replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
Crossing a qualification across into W.A. - [^-=-^][^-=-^][^-=-^][^-=-^][^-=-^]

That's just too funny! W.A. doesn't even seem to recognise anything from other states - try joining FESA as a volunteer firefighter and you will soon realise that all of the national competencies under the sun won't prevent you needing to learn all about the fire triangle from scratch.

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6 years 2 months ago #284418 by AB
AB replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
I believe AMSA will standardise Certificate of Competency in the near future, but that you will also have to apply to your state office and show "local knowledge". Not sure how sea time is calculated in other states, but here it is categorised depending on your role on the vessel, type of vessel (usually inboard or outboard), and inshore or offshore, and this may affect the conditions of the CoC.

I wouldn't count time as a dive instructor, but as a deckhand if you assisted in deck duties. Most of my sea time was done on my own private boat (over 5 metres) but I did also jump on as many commercial boat as I could. I've been offered lots of work, but at $25 an hour with lots of uncounted hours, it doesn't seem like much given the level of responsibility.

Alan

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6 years 2 months ago #284421 by Aquamaniac
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Originally posted by RedSeaDiver

Crossing a qualification across into W.A. - [^-=-^][^-=-^][^-=-^][^-=-^][^-=-^]

That's just too funny! W.A. doesn't even seem to recognise anything from other states - try joining FESA as a volunteer firefighter and you will soon realise that all of the national competencies under the sun won't prevent you needing to learn all about the fire triangle from scratch.



Sounds like the CDAA......

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6 years 2 months ago #284426 by timbob
timbob replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
Thanks to all for the reply, especially Alan who gave more help to assist.
At this stage I have got a letter back from QLD DTI who say that they will and do accept any* coxwain(such as SA) as a cowswain, even if the hours taken/logged to get it are different. You can transfer without being marked down, and a cox is a cox
WA, as the other chap said quite rightly on the other hand, is different..... I journeyed down the Dti to ask them, and was told you'd be 'marked down' to a restr cox with those sea hours, much the same as you were saying about the fire fighting quals..manybe they are that tight? I know QLD is for diving, maybe WA is for boats....;?...Anyway I don't know yet as wrote to the main guys in Freemantle WA and will post a reply when I get it from them. From there I will now what to do. Bought a ropes book for $30 may do that, we will see what WA fREEM. says ..will write/post as soon as I know!
Good info r.e AMSA also
cheers[:banghead:]

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6 years 1 month ago #284610 by timbob
timbob replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
Right ! COnclusion after many phone calls and emails posted to and for whoever is interested : !

I contacted the QLD maritime, SA maritime & WA maritime. Seems like I was given the wrong information by my local DTI (what bad training and what were they thinking?). Vessels in WA under 5m can be logged as recreational# time (up to 50%), so yes time on my vessel can be used for this.
I Was also told by local DTI that a SA coxswain would be put down to a rec.coxswain (because of the 'sea days) differences between the states. This, however was wrong information. On talking to freemantle they told me what the local DTI had told me was incorrect & had been for five years, no 'letter of apology' or anything for wrong misleading information during which I actually missed a Coxswain's course, and# bought a 'ropes' book for $30 when I didn't need it...and when I had the sea time due to her telling me although I asked 5+ times the wrong information.!!!

Anyway in conclusion, a COXSWAIN from any state is recognized by any other state. SO this is good news. All that is different is the seatime required to do the orals (which is different in each state as you probably know), and the crossing over to the other state to use. For this reason to do is WA is probably 'best' because they charge more to crossover but from wa or sa to QLD for example.... it's all good , can use it with mild fees if any

Dont trust your local DTI, go straight to Freemantle or the main maritime place and find out

1 cox for all
[:-}]
thanks for help

Incidentally, the only other country's equivalent qualification rcognized is NZ (inshore launch master, which in WA is a restricted Master V), no other countries qual' ..it will only count as RPL (recognition of prior learning) from other countries

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6 years 1 month ago #284611 by timbob
timbob replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
And having 'D' for deckie or 'DM' or 'Instructor' on there doesn't really matter, it's just days time experience (then ropes/coxswain MedII MV etc)

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6 years 1 month ago #284621 by Smurf
Smurf replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
Im just going to say it really nicely now with out beating around the bush and was hoping that you would find this out your self but you obviously have not got a clue about the maritime industry.
If you started out looking for information before jumping it and sinking straight up you did a very good job at that,
Your 1st POC; should have been AMSA,
Your 2nd POC; AMC
Then MSQ-etc
Then I can guess you never thought about GMDSS, STCW95 and MED Courses?
Another failure of some MUPPET wanting to get their Cox/Master 5 with very little knowledge of shipping, now your going to be telling me that you had a boat for years and know all about the water ways, your runabout days is nothing compare to when your working with weight, depth restraints, and you get a tosser in his Sunday drive buzzing around you or decide to drift and fish in a channel.
It does sound to me that youre trying to get it as easy as possible with out putting in the hard work.

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6 years 1 month ago #284998 by timbob
timbob replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
What ?? ( directed to Smurf) ..Topic answered, I simply asked if coxswains from all states it recognized as a coxwain in other* states..and yes, iis.. If you want to go around lugging heavy cargo or whatever you do then you can, I am simply interested in driving customers, of course know all about MED and stcw95. Don't bother with it anymore, cheers 'muppet'

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6 years 1 month ago #285011 by Smurf
Smurf replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
not sure where you want to drive heavy cargo, but all i did was drive day boats out to the reef off cairns, your looking at a Master 5/4 MED 2/1 for that.
it dosen't sound like heavy cargo to me,

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5 years 11 months ago #287379 by timbob
timbob replied the topic: is a coxswain from another state recognized in WA
Done coxswain
Found out WA's DTI website had information from 2YEARS ago on it, it was totally out of date, so had all of the wrong information in the 1st place..it is now updated.Could have done coxswains a year plus ago. Even the DTI office in small town i was in gave totally the wrong information over the counter.
How bad is that
Yes, it is valid all over.Cheers
(And found out incidentally that the stcw95 from o'seas is not at all recognized by 'AMSA'..only OZ stcw95)and freom next year stcw95 compulsory but shipboard safety is all good up to 200NM

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