Logged Dives?

7 years 8 months ago #22115 by biscuits81
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I am trying to get in as many dives as i can so i can do more courses quickly.

For a dive to be counted as a 'logged dive' does it have to be signed off by someone or does the dive logging from my computer count?

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7 years 8 months ago #250530 by spiro
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Be smart. Courses dont mean experience. Take your time doing a variety of dives in different conditions with different people.

I know plenty of people with the certs.. but little experience and cant handle themselves properly at all.

I cant find the litriture.. but i recall from padi somewhere, that a dive is 20 minutes or more at any depth..

This being said, I dont log pool sessions, an instructor i know does however. and he also brags about his 3000 odd dives that he has logged[?|?][^()^]

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7 years 8 months ago #250533 by Sas
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Originally posted by biscuits81


For a dive to be counted as a 'logged dive' does it have to be signed off by someone or does the dive logging from my computer count?




Your computer should be fine. When I have done courses with dive requirements I haven't needed my log book to be signed by my buddy or anything like that.

As to what counts as a dive, that's up to the agency/instructor so maybe ask them.

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7 years 8 months ago #250534 by biscuits81
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I agree with what you say about experience. what i meant was that i am trying to get 3 or at least 2 dives in a week so i can get that experience quicker, than say someone who dives on holiday only. The only course i am in a hurry to do is my advance so i can get into wreck diving, all the good ones are deeper than 18m.

But i guess i was thinking more for the future when i want to expand on certifications. Do my computer dives count.

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7 years 8 months ago #250536 by Sas
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Originally posted by biscuits81


But i guess i was thinking more for the future when i want to expand on certifications. Do my computer dives count.




All mine have. I download to my computer and then add some comments. Don't have a paper log at all.

Other than course dives where I've had instructors' signatures, I haven't had dives signed by a buddy.

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7 years 8 months ago #250539 by Dave
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Originally posted by biscuits81

I am trying to get in as many dives as i can so i can do more courses quickly.

For a dive to be counted as a 'logged dive' does it have to be signed off by someone or does the dive logging from my computer count?




The issue of what constitutes a "logged dive" has been much debated on this forum. I guess if it is for evidence of a certain type of dive experience then that is up to the agency to state what is acceptable to them (ie they can choose those dives from your log that meet their criteria and ignore the others). As for having a dive log entry signed I have almost never had my log book signed and this has never been an issue. If anyone looks at the detail I write up on each dive I would be very surprised if they would ever think I had made it all up!

I would highly recommend keeping a log book for your personal benefit, as well as evidence to show charter operators,resorts etc. What you choose to log as a dive is entirely up to you. Some agencies apparently state that you can only log dives greater than a certain depth or time. This is complete garbage! Log any dive that you wish to. I do many shore dives in the 3-4m range (ie hundreds of them) and I am certainly not going to miss out on logging those very enjoyable and interesting dives just because some training agency says they don't meet some stupid criteria.

I made a personal decision not to log pool training dives, but you could choose to log them if you wished.

As far as computers go I personally would think they are good evidence that a dive has actually taken place, probably better than a written log. However the dives registered on it could have been done by someone else. I think basically people just have to have an element of trust and I doubt many people fake their log.

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7 years 8 months ago #250554 by Stan Bugg
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I am an advocate of the process of logging dives, both for personal interest and for an ongoing proof of experience.
I personally only log open water dives, but if a person wanted to record pool dives, I would not object so long as they were clearly delineated as such, and not claimed as "real" dives.
Regards,
Stan

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7 years 8 months ago #250557 by Aquamaniac
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Originally posted by Stan Bugg

I am an advocate of the process of logging dives, both for personal interest and for an ongoing proof of experience.




I have not logged a dive for over 10 years now. I cant say its been an issue for me, or that I have ever regretted it. I just cant see the value.

As far as instruction goes, I feel that a good instructor should be able to gauge a student by how they react in the water, and respond to certain situations, rather than whats written in a book. You cant "fake" skills.

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7 years 8 months ago #250560 by Dave
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I love looking back through my old log books. There is a wealth of info in there, much of which would have been lost to memory many years ago if I hadn't recorded it. Many times I have pulled out the log book in answer to someones query about a dive site. I am so paranoid about losing this information that I regularly photocopy my log and store it in a safe place!

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7 years 8 months ago #250563 by Stan Bugg
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Dave ( Aquamaniac) I respect your point of view in deciding that you do not want to log dives any more, and I agree that:
a) logbooks prove nothing regarding skill, and
b) logbooks can be faked.

Whether to keep a record of dives is entirely up to the individual, but I suggest to all student divers that they keep such records while they are at the beginning of their diving in case they need proof of experience for new courses, instructor/DM training, CDAA, or, in the case of a number of my aquaintances, occuptational diver training.

How the info is kept is purely personal also; computer, loose leaf notebook, spreadsheet, etc etc. Its all OK.
I have logged every open water dive since 1970, and, as Dave ( the other one) says, it provides a lot of enjoyment, reminiscence, and information on sites, depths etc.
It is also a constant source of information for my "logbbook-less buddies" who frequently ask me for details of past dives, sometimes decades ago.
Still, it's a personal choice.
Regards,
Stan
My only regret in the maintenance of my logbooks is that I missed out on logging dives for the first six years of my diving.

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7 years 8 months ago #250571 by Sas
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Yea I have loved looking back over dives in my logbook, as I forget pretty quickly. Lately I have started losing motivation for logging them though unfortunately. I hope I can keep it up as I'll regret not logging them later on when I've forgotten about the things that happened.

To each their own though. One of my friends gave up logging his dives half way through his OW course and even then I helped with the first two to give him an example of how dives are logged. [^-=-^]

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7 years 8 months ago #250575 by Aquamaniac
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Originally posted by Stan Bugg


How the info is kept is purely personal also; computer, loose leaf notebook, spreadsheet, etc etc. Its all OK.
I have logged every open water dive since 1970, and, as Dave ( the other one) says, it provides a lot of enjoyment, reminiscence, and information on sites, depths etc.




I do keep detailed records/information on sites, and obviously very detailed survey's for new cave.
I agree that it can be very usefull when people ask as about a site. I guess in a way this is like a logbook, just missing the number of dives etc.

On another note....
There is nothing I dislike more than the bloke who shows up at the boat check in with comments like "I was certified 5 years ago and have 3000+ dives under my belt"

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7 years 8 months ago #250583 by Stan Bugg
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Five years and 3000 dives???
Yes that bugs me too!

It took me 40 years to accumulate 5000 dives, but the newer generation seem to achieve that in 5-10 years. Perhaps they count showers, baths, rainstorms, deep puddles.....
Maybe its the new maths......

Back to one of the original questions; does a logbook have to be signed to be valid? In my opinion NO. No-one has ever signed my logbook, nor any of my logbook-keeping friends.

Although I am a fan of logbooks, I have never asked to see a logbook as proof of exerience prior to entry onto a tech/ cave course. Have to agree with Dave that skills count more than entries in a logbook.
Regards,
Stan

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7 years 8 months ago #250584 by Sas
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Originally posted by Stan Bugg

Five years and 3000 dives???
Yes that bugs me too!




Ask them what their cumulative dive time is next time :)

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7 years 8 months ago #250597 by Wilson
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Originally posted by spiro

Be smart. Courses dont mean experience. Take your time doing a variety of dives in different conditions with different people.
[?|?][^()^]






I agree with Spiro here, dive with different people in different locations and you'll learn much more than the instructor who came from a sausage factory dive instructor course who did all his/her dives in a shallow protected bay. (have heard about this before).

Yes some certs are good but I have seen a few where you would be tempted to slap the recipient across the face if the told you they have a PADI Sea Urchin Feeding Speciality (I better be quiet now, patent pending). And for some divesites, it is necessary to do a course in order to dive this site from their vessel. And other times the logbook will prove evidence to go on a certain dive for the OW diver with experience instead of diving with the inexperienced divers.

Wilson

"Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows?"

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7 years 8 months ago #250645 by elleym
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Yeah I agree with the dive different places with different people.

Whilst its nice having a regular buddy you can become a little complacent. It's good to have your bad habits pointed out, so you can work on them and improve your skills which makes diving easier and even more enjoyable. [8D]

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7 years 8 months ago #250649 by roughwater
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Some good points raised here.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about a signed log book, but one thing I would be putting on your logs is your buddies name(s).

In the past when I've needed proof of certain dives, occasionally I've had to list the name of a buddy, but I have never had to shown 'signed' proof.

Also, I believe having a buddies name on a log book is probably a little more evidence that the dive was done.

As we move more towards a digital future, pen signatures will become more and more a thing of the past. Other information such as buddies name, dive operator, etc can be more valuable and evidential than a messy signature that no one can make out.

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7 years 8 months ago #250896 by diver scott
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As one of Stans erstwhile friends, I am ever so pleased HE keeps detailed log books. I skipped logging dives for too many years, but have got back on the band wagon recently, as i love looking back over my old dives and the people i have dived with.
My two cents worth
Scott

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7 years 8 months ago #250903 by telephema
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What technology are people using for thier logs? websites, iphone apps, software, spreadsheets etc???

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7 years 8 months ago #250908 by Sas
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Originally posted by telephema

What technology are people using for thier logs? websites, iphone apps, software, spreadsheets etc???




I use Diving Log . I also have the Diving Log application for my iPhone. So basically I upload my dive computer's data to the Diving Log on my PC, fill out my log and then now and again I synch my dives to my iPhone so I always have my log with me in case it is needed by others (rare) or if I need it (quite common, to check certain things and weather for sites and so on).

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7 years 8 months ago #250946 by Stan Bugg
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Technology?!!
I use a series of loose leafed A5 notebooks, one line per dive across the double page.
It works for me.
Regards,
Stan

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7 years 8 months ago #251374 by bkara313
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Originally posted by Saspotato

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Originally posted by telephema


What technology are people using for thier logs? websites, iphone apps, software, spreadsheets etc???




I use Diving Log . I also have the Diving Log application for my iPhone. So basically I upload my dive computer's data to the Diving Log on my PC, fill out my log and then now and again I synch my dives to my iPhone so I always have my log with me in case it is needed by others (rare) or if I need it (quite common, to check certain things and weather for sites and so on).






which application do you use for your iphone?

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7 years 8 months ago #251375 by bkara313
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Originally posted by Saspotato

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Originally posted by telephema


What technology are people using for thier logs? websites, iphone apps, software, spreadsheets etc???




I use Diving Log . I also have the Diving Log application for my iPhone. So basically I upload my dive computer's data to the Diving Log on my PC, fill out my log and then now and again I synch my dives to my iPhone so I always have my log with me in case it is needed by others (rare) or if I need it (quite common, to check certain things and weather for sites and so on).






which application do you use for your iphone?

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7 years 8 months ago #251380 by squidward
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Is this diving log any better than OceanLog when used with Oceanic computers? Oceanlog has a terrible habit of losing data which has been typed in, or in another instance, added 0.1kg to the weights every time you opened it

Steve

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7 years 8 months ago #251382 by kieranu
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Originally posted by spiro
This being said, I dont log pool sessions, an instructor i know does however. and he also brags about his 3000 odd dives that he has logged[?|?][^()^]



ROTFLMFAO - what a*****!

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7 years 8 months ago #251388 by bkara313
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Hi,

To do the dive master course you have to log at least 60 dives, does the dive's you do during your courses from OW to dive master count...

Ben

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7 years 8 months ago #251389 by RodH
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Originally posted by bkara313

Hi,

To do the dive master course you have to log at least 60 dives, does the dives you do during your courses from OW to dive master count...

Ben



And then they wonder why I complain when they want me to do a checkout dive with their "Divemaster"[:banghead:]

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7 years 8 months ago #251397 by IOC
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I'm sorry i didn't read all of these replies,

however I would like to reply.

Log every dive. In a book, on paper. Every Dive.

If you haven't, start now. Every dive, on paper :D

With pen, on paper lol!

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7 years 8 months ago #251398 by IOC
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had a bath recently?

log it! lol

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1 month 3 days ago #303565 by katelubinski
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I've just started using dive.site as an online logbook to keep track of my dives. Looks good so far and it makes it easy to show my dives to friends and fellow divers, via my dive map.

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